I now have starter module kits available for $24.95 plus $4.95 shipping.
It is plug N play.
Rich
From: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RivetRestorations.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:12 PM
To: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Honda-C70] Re: Rich > 6 volt relay
i have been chasing this for a couple of days now. I'm new to the C70.
i chased the yellow/red Stripe wire also from the Relay to the Starter
button then the Green/ red stripe wire down to the Neutral Switch on the
left side of the motor.
with a new Battery Fully charged and Multiple Relays, i found that the
contact gets weaker and weaker the further away from the relay i test
i disconnected the yellow/red striped wire, turned the key on, i found
that there is positive current in that wire all way up to the Switch and
down to the Neutral Switch. and this with every relay i have tested. and
I've tested known good working relays from other bikes and there all
doing this.
so
i grounded the yellow/red stripe to the Frame, the relay engages and
fires the Starter.
this also happens when i touch the green/red stripe wire from the
Connection by the Stator
but the Starter Button still doesn't work correctly
i can't believe that all 16 relays i have tested on this bike are all
bed when they work on the bikes that they can off.
could be a weak Ground from the Neutral Switch?
SAR
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Honda-C70] Re: Rich > 6 volt relay
From: "Richard Pierce" <radicalracing@sbcglobal.net <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> >
Date: Wed, January 18, 2012 5:00 pm
To: <Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> >
Yes,
Turn on the key, put the bike in neutral (green light on speedometer lit
up), unplug green and yellow wire at starter solenoid and connect the
end from the solenoid to a good frame or engine ground. If engine
cranks, you need this relay.
Rich
From: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Chris Avery
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:04 PM
To: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Honda-C70] Re: Rich > 6 volt relay
I am pretty sure I have the voltage drop. The lights dim when I hit the
starter and I feel this total drain. Should I test it with more
scientific methods ?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 17, 2012, at 4:50 PM, "Richard Pierce"
<radicalracing@sbcglobal.net <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> >
wrote:
> OK,
>
> You can get the first one.
>
> Did you confirm you have a voltage drop at the starter solenoid yellow/green wire?
>
> See below.
>
> If grounding this wire with the key on makes the starter work, this relay will fix the problem.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Rich
>
> From: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Chris Avery
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AM
> To: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: <Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Re: [Honda-C70] Re: Rich > 6 volt relay
>
> I would love to participate. What is the next step. I can send you cash via pay pal or mail a check.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:56 PM, "Richard Pierce" <radicalracing@sbcglobal.net <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
>
> > Yes,
> >
> > Sorry for a few days turning into weeks.
> >
> > I have acquired what I need to assemble another relay kit. If you want to be the first to try it out, I'll spend some time assembling it. I have had zero no-cranks on my Passport since installing the relay.
> >
> > I have been busy with several other projects but need to build a kit as a template for others if the demand is there.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > From: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Cavery1@gmail.com <mailto:Cavery1%40gmail.com> <mailto:Cavery1%40gmail.com> <mailto:Cavery1%40gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:40 PM
> > To: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Honda-C70] Re: Rich > 6 volt relay
> >
> > Hi Rich. Do you have any leads on how to get one of these relays?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "radicalrich16" <radicalracing@sbcglobal.net <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> <mailto:radicalracing%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
> >
> > > Q,
> > >
> > > Give me a few days to draw something up for the wiring.
> > > I do have one extra relay.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > > --- In Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Honda-C70%40yahoogroups.com> , Qcombs@... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Rich,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I for one would LOVE to get my hands on that 6 volt relay in order to fix my no crank problem. Please send me the info. And tell me, where and how did you install it? Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Q from San Bernardino, CA
> > > > Qcombs@...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: F Leslie <f2putt@...>
> > > > To: honda-c70 <honda-c70@yahoogroups.com <mailto:honda-c70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:honda-c70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:honda-c70%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:honda-c70%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > > > Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 10:49 pm
> > > > Subject: RE: [Honda-C70] No crank or intermittent crank Passport fix
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've read a number of posts on this topic and the one consistent item
> > > > required for the auto starter to work is a well charged battery.
> > > > After not riding my '81 for 20 yrs the Honda dealer got it up and
> > > > running (new battery, fully charged) but they said the solenoid would
> > > > not work.
> > > > Well after riding around a bit I sprayed some DW40 on the contacts.
> > > > Zing, contact and start.
> > > > So check the contacts/clean. Maybe these
> > > > two things help. Didn't need to add relays/wires etc. Of course some
> > > > bikes may have been stored outdoors or had other issues that may have
> > > > a bearing on the solenoids condition and performance.
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:32 PM, radicalrich16 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a 1981 Passport (6 volt system), and have been fighting the
> > > > dreaded intermittent no-crank. The symtoms are a green nuetral light
> > > > that dims when you hit the starter button, but does not crank or even
> > > > click. If the shift lever is raised slightly (on my bike), it cranks.
> > > > It will also crank if you kick the side of the engine! What I have
> > > > found is that there is not enough current carrying capacity from the
> > > > starter solenoid near the battery, all the way up to the handlebar
> > > > switch and back down through the nuetral switch to chassis ground. It
> > > > only works when it wants to. As simple fix is to install a small 6 volt
> > > > relay near the solenoid that uses the starter button ground as a signal
> > > > to connect the yellow/green wire from the solenoid directly to chassis
> > > > ground. problem solved!
> > > > I have a line on the 6 volt relays if anyone is having similar problems
> > > > and wants to cure it. They are not easy to find.
> > > >
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > C70 Passport Not Running Right?
> > > > 1970-73 C70 Honda Service Manual: http://tinyurl.com/6ebwtw
> > > > 1970-73 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/6ebwtw (scroll to sec.7.1 page 101.jpg)
> > > > 1980-83 C70 Honda Service Manual: http://tinyurl.com/hu42c
> > > > 1980-81 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/hu42c (scroll to sec.18-1 page 170.jpg)
> > > > 1982-83 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/hu42c (scroll to sec. 20-28 page 205.jpg)
> > > >
> > > > 1980-81 C70 Maintenance Schedule: http://tinyurl.com/z4zn6
> > > > 1982-83 C70 Maintenance Schedule: http://tinyurl.com/hw35c
> > > >
> > > > More resources for C70 Passports and Cubs:
> > > > http://www.shlaes.com/Vehicles/Scooter.htm
> > > > http://www.velodrome.com/HondaC70/HondaC70.htmlYahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
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1970-73 C70 Honda Service Manual: http://tinyurl.com/6ebwtw
1970-73 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
http://tinyurl.com/6ebwtw (scroll to sec.7.1 page 101.jpg)
1980-83 C70 Honda Service Manual: http://tinyurl.com/hu42c
1980-81 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
http://tinyurl.com/hu42c (scroll to sec.18-1 page 170.jpg)
1982-83 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
http://tinyurl.com/hu42c (scroll to sec. 20-28 page 205.jpg)
1980-81 C70 Maintenance Schedule: http://tinyurl.com/z4zn6
1982-83 C70 Maintenance Schedule: http://tinyurl.com/hw35c
More resources for C70 Passports and Cubs:
http://www.shlaes.com/Vehicles/Scooter.htm
http://www.velodrome.com/HondaC70/HondaC70.html
