Jeff : If by "get it locally " you mean the Honda cycle shop . Yes . Auto parts store or hardware store no . At the Honda shop we sometimes need to lie to the parts man & tell them we need a part for a current model not our "no longer in the parts book" 30 year old bikes. If the parts man says the new part is the solid copper ring , get it over the one time use "donut" crush gasket . You will never need to buy it again . Baby Huey
To: Honda-C70@yahoogroups.com
From: wjbyers@rocketmail.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:29:01 +0000
Subject: [Honda-C70] Re: exhaust system
Thanks everyone. The reason I am a little in the dark about this is that the exhaust systems was loose of the head when I bought the bike so I don't know what parts are missing - all there is the fange and one stud. I think I can solve the problem with the information you have provided and when the two circle pieces arrive from Dr ATV I will have a better idea how to goes together. Sounds like I might have to get a crush gasket. Do you think it is a part that I could get locally or is it specific to the C-70. Jeff
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C70 Passport Not Running Right?
1970-73 C70 Honda Service Manual: http://tinyurl.com/6ebwtw
1970-73 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
http://tinyurl.com/6ebwtw (scroll to sec.7.1 page 101.jpg)
1980-83 C70 Honda Service Manual: http://tinyurl.com/hu42c
1980-81 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
http://tinyurl.com/hu42c (scroll to sec.18-1 page 170.jpg)
1982-83 C70 Troubleshooting Guide:
http://tinyurl.com/hu42c (scroll to sec. 20-28 page 205.jpg)
1980-81 C70 Maintenance Schedule: http://tinyurl.com/z4zn6
1982-83 C70 Maintenance Schedule: http://tinyurl.com/hw35c
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